given the same length gun. A 1911 is just 8.5" long. An N frame revolver, 4" barrel, is 9.5" long. a 357 from a 3.5" barrel, to keep the gun the same OAL, will be no better than 158 grs at 1250 fps, guaranteed. Given a fully supported barrel, the .45 Super easily gets a 165 gr jhp to 1400 fps. It's a larger OD bullet and a larger OD nose cavity, expands at a lower velocity than the .36 jhp's and expands to a much larger diameter, too (typically) K frame 357's are easily ruined by just a very few thousand rds of hot loads like this. The L frame is not much smaller than the N frame, when you look at OAL. 165 grs at 1250 fps is nothing much in a 1911, guys, when it comes to recoil.